Disclaimer: This is a long post, and is rated PG-13.
Pre-Requisite Visuals: Outgoing 2018 CX-5: I’ll miss the candy apple red exterior, and the cream interior. Incoming 2018 Mustang: Orange. Mustang. Convertible.
Brief History: I bought the CX-5 primarily for the higher seating position - was in a white 2016 Honda Civic before that - and secondarily for the gorgeous Soul Red, in the Touring trim with the Preferred package. The CX-5 was great for roadtrips, minor off-roading (read: non-paved roads in national parks), being very visible on the road to other drivers, had a robust safety suite (forward collision warning, blind spot monitors, rear cross-traffic alert - but no parking sensors for the 2018 Touring), and the candy apple red was a remarkable conversation piece. At the time it was a great deal and good value for the money (~$34k OTD).
The hankering for a convertible hit me when I saw a Mercedes-Benz drop its top at a stop light. The morning was sunny, wind was pleasant, outside temp was a breezy 70 (Fahrenheit). The idea - once taken root - never quite let go from 2019. I opened the sunroof on the CX-5 at most available opportunities anyhow so I began my…
Research: I didn’t take action until the CX-5 was paid off (and driven nearly 46k miles) , but once it was I began looking. Unfortunately the pandemic was (is?) in full swing, and used car prices were (are) through the proverbial roof - more so for convertibles (pun intended :D).
I didn’t consider any Germans because I rode the ‘Germans expensive when broken’ bandwagon - although:

• Carmax had quite a few tempting offers for Audi A5 convertibles, and my friend swears by 2017+ Audis for their reliability
• Now that I know of Mercedes’ Airscarf technology’s existence not only am I curious to try it, but also wonder if the take rate for convertibles is too low for other manufacturers to incorporate similar technology into their offerings

I created a generic ‘convertible’ search filter on Autotrader and subscribed to the running list to be informed of any used vehicles. The main criteria with which I was looking for a convertible was:

• Quiet-ish (so I can have a conversation while driving - I learned that a wind deflector is a thing, and has a tangible effect on how turbulent the cabin becomes with the top down)
• Economical-ish with gas (coming from a CX-5 I was used to seeing 25-28 MPG drives even if I floored it for a few stoplights - YMMV as this number can be dependent on multiple factors such as distance travelled, number of passengers, load of car, etc.)
• Non-black interior (preferably)
• No exterior shades of grey (I didn’t consider any car with black, white, grey, or silver exterior)
• Droptop mechanism should be simple to operate (ND2s’ top operation is stupid simple, and hence set the bar)
• HUD would be nice (excluding the Germans only the Camaro had a factory HUD in my search results)
• Comfortable ride (anecdotes paint the Camaro’s ride as harsh and track-focused, for example, and say the same for the Mustang’s performance package equipped models)
• Ideally be within my price range (close to the trade-in price of the CX-5, so this was a dealbreaking variable)
• Safety and tech suite must be at least partially present

The last point is important, because safety features in a car are a secondary layer of protection against my idiocy and tech features are quality-of-life increases, so I want to expand on it a little. My CX-5 had the following, and therefore set a semi-flexible bar on safety and tech features:

• Rearview camera
• Blind spot monitoring
• Rear cross traffic alert
• Low-speed forward collision warning with brake assist
• Full-speed forward collision warning
• Adaptive cruise control
• Lane departure warning
• Lane keep assist
• Amber turn signals - front and rear
• Amber turn signals in side-mirrors
• Bright, flashy color
• Bluetooth connectivity
• Built-in navigation
• Heated seats

Lure: Miata is always the answer - except when it doesn’t accommodate the wifey. We tested a fair amount of them with her as the passenger and driver - NBs (model year 1998-2005), NC (model year 2005 to 2015), and a ND2 (model year 2019 to current). Our primary issues were that:

• The ride(s) were stiff and harsh
• The car(s) were too low to the ground, making ingress-egress a chore
• Cabin is snug with the top up
• You’re invisible to other cars (we nearly got sideswiped while test driving the ND2 by a fucking Silverado)
• Acceleration in the stock NB and NC isn’t fast enough for 2021/2022 public roads where 200+ horsepower is becoming the norm (exhibit A - incoming eHummer and its 3 second acceleration), and this invites road rage and aggressive behavior from others

Well, since Miata isn’t my answer I expanded my search to other convertibles and we tried out more cars:

• 2002 Toyota Solara convertible - tepid acceleration was the dealbreaker
• 2013 Lexus IS250C - I wanted the 350C but pricing on 350Cs was (is) insane >:(
• 2013 Chrysler Sebring - reliability issues, and my wife wouldn’t let me buy a Chrysler
• 2004 Ford Thunderbird - aging issues (hoses and other rubber-based items would need reviewing and probably replacing, and the engine isn’t the most reliable for its time apparently), although in blue it’s such a classic look
• 2009 Lexus SC430 - the outdated center stack was a complete turnoff, although the car was comfortable to ride in as a passenger

The biggest problem I could see brewing was that safety and tech features were missing or virtually non-existent in a lot of the more older ‘verts (read: more economically-priced, closer to ~$10-15k OTD on COVID-19 prices), so I needed to either expand my price range or lower my expectations.
Before I lowered my expectations I had to find out what the CX-5 was worth, which is what I did. Virtual estimates from Shift.com, Carmax, Caravana, and Vroom were in the ~$21k range, with ~14-15% variance up-or-down (Carmax’s in-person estimate was the lowest, while Shift.com’s in-person estimate set the higher end). Hence I refined and resumed my search. The estimate I received was lower than expected because the CX-5 was rear-ended by a F-150 back in 2019, but them’s the breaks.
Hook: It seemed I was being organically nudged to the Mustang by The Universe because:

• A family friend revealed their extensive purchase history of Mustangs when I told them of my interest in convertibles earlier this year
• u/nukelauncher95 posted this thread which I pored over, and…
• One day up for grabs was a beautiful 2018 EcoBoost Premium Orange Metallic Fury Mustang ‘vert, being sold for ~$29k OTD with ~40k miles by a dealership.

The picture from Autotrader was low res, but the musculature of the body was apparent. The flowing lines of the hood in the sun, the hawkish face, the spike of the windshield over the relatively flat silhouette, the running pony, and the sparkling orange…mmm. I went in for the test drive same evening I received the notification, was satisfied with the ride, and wanted a PPI done which the dealership readily agreed to. The PPI took nearly a week to coordinate because there was interest in the car from other parties.
Line: While I was waiting for the PPI I researched ‘2018 Ford Mustang EcoBoost’ further. This 2018 is the 6th model generation, called S550 during development. The 6th generation model for the EcoBoost is split into 2 - 2015-2017, and 2018+.
There is also a High Performance EcoBoost - with a different engine, and other bits and bobs, but since I’m not getting that I didn’t research it.
The 2018+ stock EcoBoost makes 310 HP at 5500 RPM and 350 lb-ft torque at 3000 RPM. The torque curve is available and can be modified by tunes (‘tuning’ is arguably an umbrella term encompassing everything from installing basic performance modifications such as intake or exhaust system to modifying ECU calibrations for performance-oriented throttle response).
The biggest changes I cared about in the 2018 refresh are to the front and rear fascia, and the introduction of the 10-speed automatic transmission. I watched u/SavageGeese’s 2015 and 2020 EcoBoost Mustang videos to familiarize myself with the platform, and purchased a tee from his website as thanks for his and Jack’s expert advice.
I much prefer the look of the refreshed Mustang because:

• The lower hood height and redesigned headlight cluster contributes to a sleeker, more aggressive look
• Front-facing lighting’s color temperature is now standard because it’s fully LED, including fog lights
• Fog lights are in-line with the turn signal/parking light array, presenting a more cohesive front-end
• Turn signal/parking lights are more distinguishable

The 10-speed auto (during development called 10R80) has a few cool facts:

• It’s technically an 11-speed because it has 10 forward speeds and 1 reverse so there’s your added bonus
• While this transmission was co-developed with GM, Ford took engineering lead on this project
• It was developed to mimic the CVTs’ ability to deliver continuous power while preserving fuel economy
• To preserve said fuel economy while keeping in the ideal power range the transmission sometimes skips a gear during regular operation (for example, it’ll go from gear 3 to 5 to 7, etc.)
• Tom Barnes (Ford’s Vehicle Engineering Manager on the Mustang, see SavageGeese’s 2020 Mustang video above) said that the 10-speed better suits the personality of this non-High Performance engine
• It has an adaptive learning cycle - so if you prefer to drive economically it’ll do that, and if you prefer not to it’ll do that
• In the fastback the 10-speed is nearly a second faster than the outgoing 6-speed (6.3s vs 5.3s), a little slower in the ‘vert because…

Tom Barnes retired earlier this year in March 2021, so a huge shoutout to him for all the work he’s put in for the Mustang brand over the years - and a personal thanks from me for making a truly memorable car.
The fastback (AKA coupe) is ~3500 lbs while the ‘vert is ~3600 lbs, for the 4-pot. This makes sense because:

• The chassis needs additional structural bracing for rigidity in lieu of that provided by a roof
• The convertible top mechanism is heavy and adds extra weight

The V8 engine would add ~200 lbs to each aforementioned figure.
In terms of safety and tech features, my Mustang would come equipped with:

• Rearview camera
• Blind spot mirrors
• Rear cross traffic alert
• Cruise control (but not radar cruise control)
• Amber turn signals - front
• Amber turn signals in side-mirrors
• Bright, flashy color
• Bluetooth connectivity and navigation superseded by…
• Android Auto
• Heated and ventilated seats
• Heated steering wheel
• Digital dashboard (I’ll expand on this gorgeous tech below)

Sinker: Once the PPI came out clean FOMO hit me like a truck. The CX-5 is admittedly a lot more ‘car’ than the Mustang, and I hadn’t yet discovered/researched all the compromises beyond just the lack of a roof. So while there still terabytes of data required before the actual ownership experience for a convertible could be defined, sometimes you gotta run before you can walk.

• Friday evening I sold the CX-5 to Shift.com and they took her away. Same evening I financed the full OTD price on the Mustang from the dealership
• Saturday morning I rode my Mustang to an impromptu oil change, then home. Same evening I took my first topless nighttime drive
• Tuesday evening I received the email verification that the CX-5 passed Shift.com’s inspection, and the full corresponding payment
• Next Friday morning I paid off the majority of Muh ‘Stang (my car’s name)
• Next Saturday I took a drive through Angeles Crest Highway, and had a phenomenal calzone from Mile High Pizza in Wrightwood

Eureka!: A hill I will die on - if you bought a convertible you need to put the top down. There are some other extenuating circumstances (rain/snow, top is wet and needs to dry, mechanism is broken, passenger discomfort, etc.), but otherwise you should have bought a coupe. Fog? Top down. 97 degree (Fahrenheit) afternoon? Top down, hat on, AC on. 44 degree (Fahrenheit) night? Top down, neck warmer and beanie on, heated steering wheel on, heater on.
I realized that I’d need to protect against the elements since everything was pretty much in my face now: heat, cold, light, moisture, sound, wind, smell…
To account for the world I had to gradually accessorize:

• Sunscreen to protect against skin cancer (CeraVe moisturizer with SPF30 comes highly recommended by my sister AKA world’s most renowned dermatologist)
• Front-and-rear view dash cam with G-sensor, IR, motion detection, parking mode capacitor, and loop recording to external memory
• Door handle organizer to account for low cabin storage space; the center storage compartment is compact
• Verified my AAA membership
• ’18 Mustang convertible die cast model
• Neck warmer and beanie combo to retain heat during night drives
• Transition-style eyeglasses as the in-car pair of glasses for day/night use
• Fleece-lined windbreaker for body heat retention on cooler nights
• Aluminum foil and painter’s tape as a deterrent to feral cats using the ragtop as their scratching post or personal bed
• Lint rollers to clean the top in a pinch
• Pet booster bucket seat
• Handheld vacuum cleaner to clean the interior in a pinch
• Wide-brimmed straw hat to combat the sun: this was priceless because it afforded 360 degree protection from the sun anytime I put it on, although resting my head on the headrest meant the hat would have deshaped over time; I ended up losing it to a windy drive which eventually drove me to purchase a…
• Wind deflector to keep the cabin composed

If all of the above is too much, I strongly recommend at least a fleece-lined hoodie. Everything else can be arguably materialistic wants.
I want to expand on the wind deflector because of its utility in/for the convertible. It installs and uninstalls fairly easily, and I too recommend using carabiners to act as extensions because the car seat hooks are embedded deep in the upholstery (shout out to Amazon reviewer Mark Edwards for this protip). Cable ties to keep excess fastener rope tied down are optional but highly recommended because at speed those will fly about uncontrollably. The deflector comes with a plastic cover and the product is compact enough that it can be stored in the trunk in the cover if you do want to use the backseats.
The ~$400 price point is a tough pill to swallow but the benefits are well worth it:

• Reduces air turbulence in the cabin appreciably, meaning face masks or such lighter items placed in the cupholders won’t fly helter-skelter
• Raise the windows with the top down and the deflector up to preserve delicate coiffure, as this pretty much creates a cavity that remains undisturbed; this technique is also useful for creating a cool air bubble in the 97-degree heat, or a warm air bubble on a 44-degree night
• Adds a physical layer of protection to the backseat, allowing smaller items to be placed on top of the backseat without fear of them being pilfered or blown away
• You can ‘pin’ any item hung behind the seat against the deflector to ensure it doesn’t fly away (case in point - a coat!)
• Once installed the deflector can be operated at any time - you push it back to collapse it or pull it back up in place to engage it
• Caveat: the backseats become limited in usage once the deflector is installed
• Caveat: at highway speeds there’s a slight whistle caused by the mesh of the deflector slicing through the air - but you can drown it out by turning up the music
• Gripe: Ford sells a Mustang-branded wind deflector in Europe (called a Windstop) for roughly the same price - but no such deflector in the US!

Remarks:

• The puddle lights are a cool feature, make the car feel much more premium than expected - and usually the first feature I showcase
• Remote start is useful for displacing stray cats off the ragtop
• The rear taillights are astonishingly bright in the dark - and (SLTP incoming) a great way to blind/disorient someone if they’re unaware of their imminent operation
• The rear decklid proclaims ‘convertible’ in a hard-to-notice area
• Ambient lighting is an unexpectedly nice touch, and the range of colors offered is wide
• The illuminated door sill plate is another cool feature, and more noticeable at night than in daytime
• At highway speeds I need to keep volume level at 15 to discern lyrics in songs over the road-and-wind noise; below 60 mph volume can be left at 10
• Just like the CX-5’s taillights matched the body color (red : red), I like that the Mustang’s turn signals/parking lights match the body color (orange : orange)
• Ford’s design manager Melvin Betancourt said “The angled nostrils and contours of Darth Vader's mask became the inspiration for the Mustang's new fog lamp scoops and front-end shape”! :D
• The mode switches (hazard lights, steering response, drive modes, traction control) are very satisfying to toggle
• The placement of the hazard lights switch is poor because not only is it in line next to other switches, it’s right next to the start/stop button* - this means that if I’m fumbling around for the hazard lights I may accidentally hit the start/stop button, which comes with its own complications
• The ventilated seats function in name-only until the AC is turned on - then they work as advertised
• The nighttime brightness has 12 levels, and affects all buttons’ lighting, too - the overall effect being that at lowest brightness there’s a lot more focus on the road than on the tech due to reduced brightness
• The base sound system is mediocre - there’s less subtlety in the music than expected (even with the top up) but that’s remedied by raising the volume, and reminding myself that I bought a convertible and not a moving concert hall
• The trunk - despite the convertible mechanism taking a third of the space - is still pretty big, and very functional
• I’ve only seen one other Orange Metallic Fury Mustang so far
• The cooled and heated seats are definitely a contextual plus, and I didn’t realize I’d love the utility of the heated steering wheel until my first fall nighttime drive
• The car is lower than a lot of sedans so ingress-egress is still a chore for passengers, but oh, well...
• While I’ve had a few ‘shoulda got the V8’ conversations I’ve also received unsolicited thumbs up and cheers just cruising down the boulevard, so I’ve grown to understand that the Mustang love can manifest negatively as well as positively, and that’s the price I pay for driving this beaut

So…why didn’t I opt for a V8?

• The up-front cost of the V8 during these COVID times is at least ~$10k higher than EcoBoosts, for comparable mileage, and thus well out of my price range
• The up-front cost of insurance for the V8 was nearly double that of the turbo-4 for me, and exceeded my monthly budget
• I wanted a quiet, cruiser-ish convertible - and the turbo-4 accomplishes that
• The turbo-4’s power is plenty for my intended city and highway driving, and the occasional canyon-carving - the most performance-oriented driving I ever expect to do in this car is learn about its limits from an instructor
• I was looking for a convertible; I found one

I’ve driven the car with the top up only a handful times at night in my few months of ownership, so I have a few comments:

• NVH reduction is remarkably good, enough that a passenger can comfortably fall asleep
• Engine noise is louder, and I feel that this is when it is being piped through the speakers
• The car feels quicker with the top up as opposed to the top down, but this could be my perception playing tricks on me as I don’t have data to corroborate this statement
• Music can be classified as ‘loud’ at volume 8

Stock Driving Experience: Stock, the car drives pleasantly enough. There are a few drive modes it comes equipped with to talk about:

• Normal: upshifts are smooth, while rapid downshifts jolted the car a little bit. The engine had a tendency to dip below 1500 RPM when under low demand, but would jump back up to ~2500 RPM on demand. With the top down I didn’t notice any fake sound being piped through speakers but it was noticeable with the top up. In terms of performance the car hesitated to push past 4000 RPM, preferring to stay in the sweet spot of 3000 RPM and would then start creeping up past 4000 if the pedal was held down. I definitely noticed the infamous power drop past 5000 RPM. To be clear, however - there’s plenty of torque down low to move the car briskly during city driving, and enough grunt to get to highway speeds on the ramp.
• Sport: downshifts while coming to a stop were jarring as they jerked the whole car, but acceleration was quick - the trans didn’t gear hunt and was responsive even at highway speeds; in terms of engine performance the RPMs would stay close to 3000 off throttle. On throttle the RPMs would stay closer to 3500 but, again, the car’d hesitate pushing past 4000 RPM unless I held the throttle down.
• Sport+: Running away from stoplights in Sport+ is when I experienced heat soak first. The car becomes very eager to run - almost always in the torquey part of the powerband, the exhaust becomes louder, and coming to a stop is also an earthquake simulator. I didn’t test this mode a lot because of downshifts, and because the power died fairly quickly
• Track: I love my fellow citizen too much to turn off traction control for funsies - I’ll save this mode for the track with an instructor
• Snow/Wet: my tires spun and the car fishtailed the first time I drove in rain in the Mustang. The second time around I wised up and toggled on Snow/Wet mode. This cuts traction to the wheels and makes driving in wet conditions possible and bearable - even if you need to push the pedal a little harder.

There are also 3 steering modes:

• Sport: steering becomes tight, and turning requires more effort than anticipated for less turn per steering wheel’s rotational angle
• Normal: No special remarks
• Comfort: steering wheel becomes light, and easier to control with even one hand; I use Comfort mode almost exclusively

What took getting used to was the lack of:

• Blind spot monitoring
• Low-speed forward collision warning with brake assist
• Full-speed forward collision warning
• Adaptive cruise control
• Lane departure warning
• Lane keep assist

Motoring musings:

• I averaged ~22 MPG on the unmodified car - highway and city driving
• The transmission preferred to keep gear 10 engaged unless I needed to accelerate or shifted to Sport, presumably for fuel economy reasons, on city or highway driving.
• If the outside temperature is cold then the entire car jerks heavily when going from Park > Reverse or Park > Drive - hard enough that you’d think something broke. This behavior goes away when the transmission warms up; Ford informed me this is expected and normal.
• Whenever going from Park > Reverse, Park > Drive, Reverse > Drive, or Drive > Reverse it’s recommended to give the transmission a second or two to compose itself before releasing the brake pedal - you know it’s ready because a second or two after the initial jerk you feel the trans engage the appropriate gear
• Notching up the parking brake is immensely satisfying, having only engaged e-brakes in the CX-5 and Civic
• The rear quarter panel window already does not come up fully - it has to be pulled into place; I probably need to get this fixed at Ford
• The ‘Mustang driver’ phenomenon is absolutely real and it comes from having access to all this power at the drop of a hat - while having previously been relegated to sub-200 HP cars...and overtaking Prii has never been more satisfying or quick (so far).

Modifications: The S550 generation is a looker - so there’s not much in the way of external mods I want on this car. I have only blacked out the hood vents so far.
The tribar pony grille is so classic that I’m disappointed it’s locked behind trim packages. So ultimately I hope to:

• Install the tribar pony grille
• Install the tribar decklid pony emblem
• I may black out the decklid spoiler
• If I keep the car long-term I’ll transform the top to a Royal Purple

A week or two after the purchase I reached out to several auto shops to receive estimates, then settled on one that offered the best deal for and ordered:

• Intercooler: the stock intercooler in the Mustang is indeed rental car spec, and I experienced heat-soak after 3 pulls on Sport+ in 70 F weather; I purchased a Mishimoto intercooler (their penguin mascot is named Chilly!) and temps indeed have been noticeably cooler
• Ford Performance tune: one of the more conservative tune(s) available for the Mustang, it grants 35 HP gain at 2900 RPM and 76 lb-ft torque gain at 2,600 RPM along with minor gains across the powerband; you also get a retuned transmission with a calibration that features a performance-oriented shift schedule
• Catch-can: this device acts as a filter, and ‘catches’ oil and other contaminants from reaching the air intake manifold, thus keeping the engine cleaner; this is a recommendation I chose to follow as an investment in upkeep and maintenance, and thus I sleep a little easier at night
• Spark plugs: this was another recommendation I read about because it impacts spark timing and bad spark plugs can lead to loss of horsepower and MPG, and is a replacement item after 50k miles anyhow

The above items cost me ~$3k (parts and labor).
Tuned Driving Experience: It’s said on the forums and subreddits that the Ford Performance tune ‘wakes the car up’ and makes a ‘night and day difference’. 100% true, and 100% recommended. It drives like a very different car now.
You must use 91+ octane gas, or risk engine damage. Once the tune is installed it takes some time for the transmission to adapt to the new tune - Ford told me that it takes ~500 miles for the ECU to ‘learn’ the horsepower and torque gains, but I felt the difference in throttle sensitivity almost immediately. My MPG also increased to ~24 - city and highway driving.
Speaking of the modes:

• Normal: The transmission is very smooth - no jerks anymore. Power is available when you need it, although the engine will now stay closer to 2000 RPM instead of dipping lower at highway speeds. In terms of performance the engine no longer hesitates to push RPMs past 3500 - and there’s power delivery past 4000 RPM. At light throttle the RPMs will stay close to 2000, and if I need sudden acceleration RPMs surge to 2600-2900 - just shy of 3000 - to use the new horsepower and torque gains. Stabbing the throttle further pushes RPMs past 3000 and there’s considerably less power loss as compared to stock on the top-end
• Sport: Wow wow wow!! Off-throttle RPMs will dip to 2000, but at light throttle (say, staying at 70 mph) the RPMs stay at 2900 and there’s enough power now to maintain speed. Acceleration will definitely push you back in the seat but nothing too intense once you’re at speed. There’s no feeling of low power until you hit 110 mph, so for as far as city/highway driving is concerned there’s plenty of juice. I can now use this mode for daily driving - the only caveat being abysmal fuel economy. When you toggle Sport mode RPMs immediately jump to 4000, and after turbo lag of a second or two, jumps the car forward and RPMs gently come down to 3000. Pedal to the metal just means that RPMs rise from 5000 onwards slowly, but speed gain is slower than expected past 90 MPH.
• Sport+: Not tried yet.
• Track: I’ll definitely save this mode for the track with an instructor
• Snow/Wet: Not tried yet

Digital Gauge: After the road the 12-inch gauge is the next thing I look at the most while driving, so I want to expand on this nifty piece of technology. It’s available as an add-on while speccing out a new Mustang, or as an aftermarket piece - costing ~2-3k for install (parts and labor).
Some quick facts about the digital gauge cluster:

• The 12-inch is actually 12.4 inches so Ford’s mantra of hidden bonuses continues
• The dev team spent upwards of 2000 hours designing this
• The core team who worked on the digital gauge cluster have experience in video game development, and incorporated that expertise into designing the cluster
• The team needed to research and understand the human eye to tune the graphics for the settings - the needle movements were designed with a [‘comet tail’] so human eye can keep track of the readouts more easily and accurately
• 30 different color options are available, translating to over 900 color combinations
• There are over 10 different animations hidden in the cluster
• 8 possible gauge displays are available, 7 of which are configurable:
• Engine oil temperature (default on all gauges)
• Vacuum (5.0 only) or boost (2.3L only)
• Aifuel ratio
• Inlet air temperature
• Cylinder head temperature
• Coolant temperature
• Transmission oil temperature
• Voltage
• Translated to 23 different languages for global customers
• As the Line Lock feature is activated, the digital display will show an animation of smoke and a spinning tire - the animation is synced with the wheels actually turning on the vehicle; I am waiting for my tires to get closer to replacement before I burn them

I often toggle between Info and Gauge modes.
Gauge displays 3 configurable choices from the aforementioned list, and I keep up (as ordered):

• Inlet air temperature
• Transmission oil temperature
• Boost

The gauge also has an analog readout which displays numbers instead of the symbols, but is tougher to read while driving.
On the Info side I’ll usually keep up the MPG meter - typically on highway drives to watch my throttle input. It also displays the G skidpad, and per-tire pressure - although I wish the Mustang in that image was orange, not ‘default’. There’s also a trip meter.
Please enjoy this animation when going from Normal > Sport+ > Track, essentially highlighting that Sport+ is the bridge between Normal and Track modes.
The digital dash can change with drive modes, or stay in one of the pre-configured layouts (Normal, Sport+, or Track).
Looking Forward In terms of the criteria I was looking for, the ‘vert meets most of them. It’s a quiet, comfortable cruiser (my 90-something grandfather rode in the ‘Stang for a 2 mile round-trip drive and he said “the seats are very comfortable” - so here’s an available feather for the appropriate engineer’s cap) that is relatively easy on gas, has an inviting interior and a very attractive exterior, features a simple top operation mechanism, has a partially present safety-and-tech suite, and was arguably within my price range. In these COVID times I feel like I chanced upon a unicorn and was blessed with it.
I’d definitely recommend owning a convertible - but I understand that’s not a lifestyle for everyone.
Thanks for reading!
Edit: I use this Scoche mount stuck near the bottom right of the screen, and since I have Android Auto I prefer to keep the phone hardwired to the car via a cable.

Thought I’d collect them all in one spot! See below for the various reviews from the Hands On by Nissan a few weeks back!
The Fast Lane Trucks
Alex on Autos
Raiti’s Rides
Redline Reviews
Ben Hardy
Autotrader
Autoblog
Roadshow
Driven Car Reviews With Tom Voelk
Cars.com
Prime Autotainment
Big Truck Big RV
Motor1
If there are others that I missed, please drop in the comments and I can update the post!

Thought I’d collect them all in one spot! See below for the various reviews from the Hands On by Nissan a few weeks back!
The Fast Lane Trucks
Alex on Autos
Raiti’s Rides
Redline Reviews
Ben Hardy
Autotrader
Autoblog
Roadshow
Driven Car Reviews With Tom Voelk
Cars.com
Prime Autotainment
Big Truck Big RV
Motor1
If there are others that I missed, please drop in the comments and I can update the post!e post.

Thought I’d collect them all in one spot! See below for the various reviews from the Hands On by Nissan a few weeks back!
The Fast Lane Trucks
Alex on Autos
Raiti’s Rides
Redline Reviews
Ben Hardy
Autotrader
Autoblog
Roadshow
Driven Car Reviews With Tom Voelk
Cars.com
Prime Autotainment
Big Truck Big RV
Motor1
If there are others that I missed, please drop in the comments and I can update the post!

All I know of is the RV tab of Autotrader.
We have a popup... I spent last summer under it fixing floor rot. (what an ordeal) Decided... not for us. Call us snowflakes but waking up in 100% humidity on a 2 inch mattress... Not for us.
We're looking at getting a large travel trailepark model and I can't seem to find too many. Any other sites other than Autotrader? (Looking in Ontario, Canada)

Hey all,
I've been lurking for a few months now. I enjoy the pics y'all share and have learned a good deal from the questions that have been answered. Thank you.
My wife and I are talking about picking up a Rockwood 2509S or Flagstaff 25BRDS sometime in the next year. Ideally, I think we'd prefer to buy used to avoid the immediate depreciation hit. But times being what they are used trailers, especially if you're looking for a specific model, are very hard to find. Even comparable models from other brands are few and far between, and so we are considering purchasing new.
I spent a good chunk of 2019 and 2020 spec'ing out and eventually buying my first new truck. I made heavy use of manufacturer websites, dealer websites, and tools like cars.com or autotrader.com. It took some effort time and cost comparisons to find the right deal.
I am blown away at how bad most RV manufacturer, dealer, and aggregation (rvt, rvtrader, etc) websites are.

• Details and specs are sparse, non-existent, or just plain wrong.
• Inventory sold months ago can still be found on websites after the fact.
• Search functions fail to find units even when the search term matches model numbers exactly.
• MSRPs are all over the place. The same trailer might be listed at $43,500 at one dealership and $39,600 at another. Maybe that difference can be explained by optional packages, but those details aren't listed, so you can't tell for sure. Manufacturer websites often don't specify an MSRP at all - leaving it entirely up to the dealers, I guess.
• etc

It gets to be really frustrating to use.
I've read that you can often negotiate down 30% from MSRP. But since those numbers appear to be completely random you could still be overshooting your sale price by several thousand.
I guess I'm just curious what everyone else's experiences were like when buying new. Did you price compare across multiple dealers? Through multiple states? How successful were you at negotiating the price down? How confident are you that a dealer didn't just add $4k onto the MSRP and pass it on to you at sale time?
It has been annoying enough that I've considered building a new website/service where people can submit the details (specs and price) of a new vehicle or trailer purchase just to return average sales points on specific models vs time and location. The information is out there, but it seems dealers and manufacturers don't want to provide it.

I figure you guys have already seen the hype on these, but has anyone taken a hard look at using one for a smallish travel trailer? Is anyone doing this? We are still several years out from an RV purchase, but are starting to think about tow vehicles. The 2021’s are running 73-74k USD on Autotrader, so if I start saving now, I might be able to afford a used one in 3 or 4 years😂

been researching trucks a lot the past couple months. never owned an rv or a truck before. we realized we were initially thinking too big, size and money-wise, and are now focusing on a TT somewhere around 26-28' and up to around 6k lbs. we're shooting for a brand new TT and used pickup. was hoping to get a used half ton truck on the newer side where it still had a good amount of warranty left. the more i read though, the more discouraged i get. besides being able to do the job of towing well, my biggest priority is reliability.
wife has been focusing more on researching the rvs and i've been focusing on the truck. most recently i've been zeroing in on an f150 or tundra between 2016 and 2019. i get it that with any vehicle you research, you're going to find common problems. hoping some of you experienced rv and truck owners can answer any of these questions and share your insights.

1. anyone experienced or know about the tundra's cam tower leak issue and know if toyota ever fixed it in the newer trucks? i saw where someone's 2018 had it. seems the problem is pretty damn prevalent. i've read someone saying they checked several trucks at a used car lot where they worked and a bunch of them had the leak.
   
2. for the 5.0 L coyote engine in the f150, anyone else hear about how the engine was changed in 2018 and now has all kinds of problems? i've read where people claiming to be ford techs or know a ford tech say the engines are terrible since 2018. tons of tsbs and something with excessive oil consumption and the tsb fix is to completely replace the engine. someone said how the dealer they work for is now pushing for buybacks because the problem comes back after replacing the engine. someone else was saying the 2015-2017s were the best bet if you were going to get one.
   
3. thoughts on longevity of the 3.5 ecoboost? i was leaning towards the 5.0 because it seems an engine with twin turbos would have more issues eventually. anyone with an eb engine with high miles want to share your experience?
   
4. how much lower than list price on a used truck can you realistically expect to get? not sure what i should be shooting for.
   
5. thoughts on buying a former lease vs commercial vs rental vs personal? with the fords, most of the trucks i was seeing on autotrader were former rentals (already posted a question about that), along with rentals though, i'm wondering if people think i'd be less likely to end up with a truck that was someone else's problem that they unloaded if i were to go for a former lease or commercial.
   

First off: all of us mods want to thank everyone who donated to the fundraiser to honor the memory of u/KesFan_NavyVet. We are thrilled with how successful this fundraiser was.
Together, we raised $1,128.22 for Brad Keselowski's Checkered Flag Foundation!! Since the strawpoll was even for most of the run, and with facing a deadline of 12/31, we decided to add any additional names that were requested as well as have anyone who donated $100 or more have a name of a veteran added. Altogether, five (real, not online) names will be on Brad's Autotrader car at Atlanta:

• u/KesFan_NavyVet
• u/beezwacks
• u/JeremyMethfield's grandfather (donated $100)
• u/SaveRossChastain's good friend's son (requested in thread)
• u/HurricanesnHendrick provided a USAF veteran

The remaining $628.22 was then made as a general donation to BKCFF with the subreddit as the listed donor's name.
Believe it or not, we only had five people who wanted to enter the raffle! I had the sheetmetal donors pick a number to determine the winners. u/JJPHRD chose 3 for Dale and u/MrDingus84 chose 2. u/XxSaint_JimmyxX won the signed bumper from u/JJPHRD and u/mizman24 won the pillar from John Hunter Nemechek's 2017 Dover truck from u/MrDingus84!
Thank you again to everyone.

This post isn't looking for help on what to look for in an RV, but where to find one.
I've been searching since last summer. Ten months, every day. I find at least three good solid candidates listed every day. Without fail, the unit is sold within minutes of the ad being published. That's approximately 900 units I've missed out on.
At first I suspected dealers were beating me to it, but there's no one anywhere around here selling them used, so that theory doesn't hold water.
Typically I see the ad within a few minutes of posting. F5 for life. I message, as per the guidelines, and get no response. The ones that post a number, I call. Voicemail is full. Every. Time. I text; no reply. And then they leave the ad up for six extra weeks.
The last two have just about snuffed out my desire. Second last one, the lady actually responded. Told me someone's already coming to look - tomorrow. I say, "but I have cash in my hand, right now". Oh no, I promised the other guy. "what if he [a] doesn't show [b] doesn't like the unit [c] wants to pay you less than me [d] doesn't have cash money?" Oh dear. This is so complicated. "No. No it's not. First come, first served" is pretty standard stuff.
The last one was listed at 5:30 am today, and I called at 7:00. Ignored messages, and Voicemail full.
If anyone knows of a Class C Under 30 feet and under 10K in Southern Ontario that is in reasonable condition and drivable I will buy it today. Any brand; any year. Water damage and broken appliances are fine, if the price reflects that. Also, if you know of somewhere other than autotrader and kijiji to search I'd love some alternates.
Cheers. Thanks in advance for any leads, and my apologies for sounding salty.

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Ryan Blaney	12	12	12	12
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Clint Bowyer	14	14	14	14
Chris Buescher		37	37	37
Kurt Busch	1	1	1	1
Kyle Busch	18	18	18	18
William Byron		24	24	24
Landon Cassill		00	00	00
Ross Chastain		15	15	15
Matt DiBenedetto		95	95	95
Austin Dillon	3	3	3	3
Ty Dillon		13	13	13
Chase Elliott	9	9	9	9
Joey Gase		66		66
Brendan Gaughan		62
Denny Hamlin	11	11	11	11
Kevin Harvick	4	4	4	4
Daniel Hemric		8	8	8
Jimmie Johnson	48	48	48	48
Erik Jones	20	20	20	20
Brad Keselowski	2	2	2	2
Parker Kligerman		96	96	96
Corey LaJoie		32	32	32
Kyle Larson	42	42	42	42
Joey Logano	22	22	22	22
Michael McDowell		34	34	34
BJ McLeod		51	52	52
Jamie McMurray	40	40
Casey Mears		27
Paul Menard	21	21	21	21
Ryan Newman	6	6	6	6
Ryan Preece		47	47	47
David Ragan		38	38	38
Tyler Reddick		31
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Daniel Suarez	41	41	41	41
Matt Tifft		36	36	36
Martin Truex Jr	19	19	19	19
Ryan Truex		71
Bubba Wallace		43	43	43
Cody Ware		52	51	51

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Ryan Blaney	12	12	12
Alex Bowman	88	88	88
Clint Bowyer	14	14	14
Chris Buescher		37	37
Kurt Busch	1	1	1
Kyle Busch	18	18	18
William Byron		24	24
Landon Cassill		00	00
Ross Chastain		15	15
Matt DiBenedetto		95	95
Austin Dillon	3	3	3
Ty Dillon		13	13
Chase Elliott	9	9	9
Joey Gase		66
Brendan Gaughan		62
Denny Hamlin	11	11	11
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Daniel Hemric		8	8
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Erik Jones	20	20	20
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Casey Mears		27
Paul Menard	21	21	21
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Ryan Preece		47	47
David Ragan		38	38
Tyler Reddick		31
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Matt Tifft		36	36
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I'm looking at buying a used Campervan or RV for a cross Continental road trip.
I've check out the usual suspects Craigslist, Kijiji, Autotrader for listings, with limited success. Does anyone know where else to look? I'm also finding it super frustrating how slow/no responses I'm getting from these sources.
I have a 20k budget for a vehicle so I'm looking for something that is functional but not worried about it being fancy. Water damage/mould seem to be a huge issue with units I've seen. I'm hoping there is some untapped resource out there that I have missed. It doesn't help that snowmageddon is really making it difficult to inspect important bits like RV rooftops.
Thanks all!

who's who

Oct 31st

• 7:32 - AT faxes TH her appointment sheet with Zipperer appointment. TH could use both e-mail or fax machine to fax.
• 8:12 - SA confirmes appointment on behalf of BJ (made earlier by BJ) for a minivan with Autotrader (DP) and requests 'the same photographer as before'.- ^{SA Affidavid #9 - Pliszka testimony - SA call record redacted - BrD Affidavit - TH call record redacted}
• 8:17 - suggested: call DP from AutoTrader informs TH about the appointment. ^{TH call record redacted}
• 8:39 - SA spoke to BoD about charging the van - ^{SA call record redacted}
• 9:46 - DP (Autotrader) testifies she calls TH, goes unanswered and leaves message. This call is challenged as it was more likely to have been the 8:17 - call ^{Pliszka testimony}
• 10:00 - BrC (Czech) ends nightshift. Says he sleeps for the rest of the day. But later (in the same interview states he went to Unison Credit Union and visited his father at a Pontiac Dealer in Kaukauna to pay back a $1500 loan.
• 10:32 - SA calls EA - ^{SA call record redacted}
• 10:44 - TH receives call (unknown) ^{TH call record redacted}
• 10:452 - TH receives call (unknown) ^{TH call record redacted}
• ~ 11:00 - SA and BoD together charged the van's battery. According to SA BoD knew it was for the photoshoot and confirms that BoD knew TH. ^{SA supplement Affidavid #9.j,k}
• ~11:00 - SA leaves work. ^{O’Neill Report 11/6}
• ~11:00 - EA uses front loader to dig up two trees in the pit. ^{State's Response}
• 11:04 - SA calls Autotrader about what time the photographer expected to be there and was told it would be around 2pm. This is not listed in his cellphone record. ^{SA Affidavid #10 - SA call record redacted}
• 11:04 - TH dials her voicemail - ^{TH call record redacted}
• 11:10. TH receives call for only five seconds, (unknown) - ^{TH call record redacted -}
• There are no account I have found so far at what time ST leaves towards the hospital. In his testimony, it could have been either morning or afternoon. ^{Trial transcript p2848}
• 11:13 - TH sends a five-page fax to AT - ^{TH call record redacted}
• 11:25 - TH unknown call (43 sec). Schuster (AT) testifies she received a call from TH where she informed her about the appointment with SA. This call is challenged as it was an incoming call, not outgoing and didn't occur at 11am as testified (no call records, save one that lasted only 5 seconds), but could have taken place at 11:25? ^{Schuster Testimony}
• 11:27 - TH dials het voicemail - ^{TH call record redacted}
• 11:31 - TH calls DM and sets up an AT photo shoot in Green Bay for Thursday, November 3rd. ^{TH call record redacted}
• 11:35 - TH calls DCH and sets up a meeting at TH' studio in Green Bay for Tuesday, November 1st. ^{TH call record redacted}
• 11:43 - TH calls Janda/Dassey home, leaves message requesting directions. CASO report actually at first incorrectly links this call to SA by Inv. Wiegert instead of Janda/Dassey. ^{Remiker Testimony/ TH call record redacted .}
• BlD reported that there was a message on the answering machine with a female voice confirming the appointment at 1pm or 2pm. BoD testified he did not listen to the answering machine. ^{BlD-11-7-2005-Interview - trial transcript p583}
• ~12:00 KZ reports Suspect contacted TH with the Dassey address. [Looking for source] likely text message from BoD's computer?
• ~12:00 - KZ reports ST visits BoD at ASY. around noon. [Looking for source]
• 12:07 - SA calls Dpt of Health (no answer) ^{SA call record redacted}
• 12:09- 12:11 Steve calls Tina T, Dpt of Health twice. ^{SA call record redacted}
• 12:09 - (just prior to) SA recalls ST being at the Janda/Dassey home (seeing his car parked). SA thus states ST did not go to the hospital in the morning. Could be the time he went over to talk to BoD. ^{SA affidavid m. n. p5}
• 12:16 - 12:18 SA calls public defender and Rick Rohl Construction. ^{SA call record redacted}
• 12:29 . TH incoming call (unknown) 40 seconds. ^{TH call record redacted}
• 12:44 - TH has a call with another Steve (Steve Speckman) with instructions to Steve Speckman (re-) schedule with AT the next day. ^{TH call record redacted}
• 12:45 - BrC texts TH. On BrC: TH took nude photographs of BrC and his wife in the past. BrC and his wife divorced shortly after. A restraining order and a gun restriction was imposed on BrC by his (ex-)wife. TH and BrC developed a sexual relationship but it was discontinued by TH for BrC being 'weird', but BrC argued they were just busy. TH continued to receive his calls which stopped around 3 months prior to the 31st. It is theorised these were the calls TH had been ignoring. BrC had texted TH on the 31st art 12:45 and phoned TH at 9pm on Thursday the 3rd, around 4 hours after TH was reported missing. BrC was also aware about TH' brief 'akward' sexual relationship with TH' roommate SB.
• 12:51 TH calls yet another Steven: Schmitz to see if she can stop by to get the shot of his vehicle.
• 1:16 - 1:36 - SA calls public defender. ^{SA call record redacted}
• 1:30 - TH at Schmitz home for about 10 minutes.
• 1:50 - suggested time BoD is getting up and uses his PC to access the internet. This analysis shows that BoD was actually up several times in the morning of the 31st and searched for porn. ^{second supplemental affidavit gregg mccrary - exhibits A&B}
• 1:52 - TH incoming call (unknown 902#) 1min 15 seconds.
• ~2:00 - BrC receives a voice message.
• ~2:00 - 3:30 - Possible time TH visited Zipperer's. The police report mentions 2:00 - 2:30, however Ms. Zipperer reports in her testimony she didn't know the time asshe was outside working and did not wear a watch. It could even have been 3.30. She did receive a voicemail around 2.30 that TH couldn't find her way but only listened to it on a later date.
• 2.12 - TH leaves a voicemail with Zipperers saying she cannot locate the place. ^{TH call record redacted}
• 2:13 - TH receives a fax and is in the general area of Zipperer's home but perhaps turned left, heading north rather than south, on County Road B, so she continued northward onto ASY (with plans to stop at Zipperer's on her way home, after ASY, as another report suggests TH visited Zipperers at ~3pm instead). Either she headed to ASY and later turned back toward Zipperer or continued to ASY after visiting Zipperers. ^{schuster interview}
• 2:15 - ST says he leaves the hospital in Green Bay from visiting his Mom, says he took off work this day. ^{ST 11/10 Interview}
• 2:24 - SA calls TH (unanswered). SA call log show he did use *67 (which he does if he doesn't want to be called back), however his number is shown in TH new call log and in his affidavit he said he does use *67 at times. TH likely already traveled East away from ASY.- ^{TH call record redacted - SA call record redacted - SA Affidavid #11}
• 2:27 - 2:31 - TH call mentioning she is nearing ASY's in fact did not take place. - ^{Pliszka testimony} - ^{TH call record redacted -} TH call record #9 does not appear on factual call record filed by KZ. This makes it likely to have been a fax. TH was able to receive fax on the road. Pliszka also stated LE suggested this time to her which she simply accepted.
• 2:15 - 2:30 - BoD says he woke up, (testimony) sees TH and her "little SUV" from his window and observes her for 5(!) minutes taking photos of the 1989 Dodge Minivan and heading towards "the porch" and then has a shower. ^{BoD interview 11/05/05 - trial transcript}
• ~2:30 - SA reports he has is brief exchange with TH (likely took place between 2:15 and 2:25). ^{SA Affidavid #12}
• 2.30- 2:45 - time ST testifies he came home, but is challenged in this testimony having reported 3.15 in the police interview on Nov 29th. This could be an attempt by ST to match the timeline of BoD having left his home prior to TH left the area. ^{Trial transcript p2848}
• 2:35 - SA had returned to his trailer, browsed through the AutoTrader magazine gave him and calls her back about front-loaders being for sale. Call was unanswered. He hangs up before voicemail. The report that SA called AT later to reschedule to have more vehicles photographed was actually that of Steve Speckman (to follow up on the 12:44 call, not Steve A). ^{- SA call record redacted - TH call record redacted}
• 2:35 - SA report BoD leaves immediately after TH which is affirmed in a later phone call and accounts from Jodi as well as his first and 9nov interview. ^{SA supplement Affidavid #9.h - SA 9Nov05 interview}
• BrD reports that BoD saw TH leave and both his mom (BJ) and SA told him she left and was only there for 5 minutes. He once more emphasised this in his affidavit. ^{DCI Interview BrD - BrD affidavit}
• TH left ASY & turned left on Hwy 147. ^{SA Affidavid #12 - SA 9Nov05 interview}
• 2:42 - TH unknown mysterious incoming call, likely her nuisance caller, pings 12/13 miles south of ASY heading away from ASY. She forwards it to voicemail.
• 2:45 - 3pm BoD says he leaves to go hunting. ^{BoD interview 11/05/05 - trial transcript p759}
• BoD reports and testified he saw TH car still at the property, and saw TH heading in the direction of SA's home, but is discredited by SA, BoD's brother and mother, not to mention TH' cellphone records. ^{BoD interview 11/05/05}
• 2:45 - SA's recalls his mother brings mail, they sit in golf cart and chat. ^{SA 6Nov05 interview} - ^{SA 9Nov05 interview}
• ~2:45 [unconfirmed] KZ reports suspect gets TH to pull over. "She opened her car's rear cargo door to retrieve her camera, was knocked to the ground and struck with an object". [Looking for source, other than KZ tweet]. I did find a statement from BD, where he refers to similar proceedings and he refers to a blazer (!) so even though BD is implicating SA in this interview... isn't he really talking (and covering for) BoD?! He even states his motivation for doing so. It is speculation, but as KZ reports this, we can expect this will be backed with further evidence, hence I included it. That TH clothes were 'ripped' and mentioning 'the opening of the back door' in BD's interview reveals details only the perpetrator could have known at the time. ^{BD Interview 03/01/06}
• 3:00 - ASY customer (Kennedy) reports CA ("Chuck") not being in the office having to be called for five minutes and witnessing smoke coming from the burn pit at the same time. ^{Motion Hearing}
• 3:02 - BoD cell pings east (check BoD, SA and TH timestamps & locations here) from this source
• 3:15 - ST says he arrives home (time reported in his initial police interview). grabs hunting gear and heads out hunting and then encounters BoD, he stated BoD was heading in the direction of his home to go hunting at 3:10 (yes he indeed claimed to be time-traveling 5 minutes back in time here). ^{ST 11/10 Interview}
• 3:30 - 4:00 - A propane delivery driver testified he'd seen a small green SUV leave ASY. He didn't see who was driving it. This doesn't have to be a time inconsistency. This could have been the Rav4 or STs vehicle. ^{trial transcript day19 p122}
• 3:30-3:45 - just prior to the bus dropping BD and BlD home, BlD reports (in his affidavit) seeing BoD heading east not driving his own vehicle but a green/bluish one. Could this possibly be TH's RAV4 or ST's vehicle and the same car spotted by the propane delivery driver? BlD also reports BoD did not return home after that. ^{BlD's affidavit}
• 3:30-3:45 - the bus dropped BD and BlD home. ^{BlD-11-7-2005-Interview}
• Bus driver report possibly seeing TH taking pictures of a vehicle in the driveway. The Bus Driver couldn't recall if it was specifically that day. The Bus driver recalls TH photographing a vehicle from an earlier appointment (10/10), hence the recollection is wrong. ^{trial transcript p4498}
• BD in earlier statements must have said he did not see TH. I can tell this from the first interview available to us that there had been previous contact with BD. BD only states he saw TH after Det. O'Neill informs BD that the bus driver had seen TH and her car and confronted BD about this. ["Brendan now said"]. When the Det. asked why BD now changed this account he said because he did not want to go to jail. In a later account (source to be added) he did and actually witnessed TH leaving the property (likely to support the account of his brother BoD).
• BlD didn't see TH or anyone, nor any vehicle that would normally not be there when he and BD walked from the bus to their home. ^{BlD-11-7-2005-Interview}
• According to BlD in his earlier police statement and his testimony, mentioned BoD was however asleep in the house, BlD and BD woke him coming in at 3:45. BlD later repealed this in his affidavit, saying he'd seen BoD driving the blue/greenish van and was not seen home after that.... ^{BlD-11-7-2005-Interview - BlD's affidavit}
• BoD testified that BlD was mistaken and he was not woken up. ^{trial transcript p757}
• 3:57 - (only 12 minutes after supposedly having been woken up) BoD call is recorded from a location far NE from ASY, so this wake up call is indeed highly unlikely, if not impossible for BoD to reached this area from his home in such a short timeframe after being woken up. This combined with the PC activity, makes it evident that BoD was already awake.
• [dusk?] - Witness spots a vehicle on the Highway 147 ,a small SUV greenish in color that was moved three days later. He states it was rumoured community members had reported it in to the police. ^{Affidavit witness}
• 4:30 - EA and RF drop by ASY to go rabbit hunting. Robert says SA told him 'the photographer' hadn't shown up yet (suggested: could have been about the loader, not BJ's van, or more likely it was a memory of a later conversation about TH being missing (why would EA bring this up to SA about the photographer in the first place if it was just about the appointment, and how would they have known about it?). EA and RF's accounts are conflicting. At first EA and RF are unsure about the date, but in a later interview after having talked to his wife (who just happens to be befriended to Sgt. Colborn wife and not on good terms with SA), Fabian became 100% sure it was Monday. SA reports they dropped by at ~5:00 for a minute or so and EA reports during the pre-trail hearing the hunting took place Wednesday or Thursday, not Monday the 31st. Both SA and EA says RF recollects it wrong and RF confuses multiple events (garbage burning week before, dropping by on the 31st and hunting rabbits either Wednesday or Thursday). The 'photographer showing up' discussion could likely be about a later conversation about TH being missing if it was Thursday. ^{RF interview 11/10/05} - ^{RF interview 11/30/05 - EA interview 11/11/05} - ^{EA contact report 11/30/05 - SA Affidavid #17 - EA pre-trail hearing}
• 4:35 - SA tried to reach TH by phone once again unsuccessfully (inbox reported full) for arranging another photoshoot. ^{- SA call record redacted - TH call record redacted- SA Affidavid #14}
• ~4:30-5:00 - JR reports he observed a small barrel fire near SA residence. LE wanted the witness to make this out to be a bigger fire.
• ~5:00 - ST arrives at BJ/Dassey home and reportedly sees BJ, SA and 'one of her younger sons'. ^{ST 11/10 Interview}
• ~5:00 - SA is having dinner with his mother [uncertain] ^{SA 6Nov05 interview} - ^{SA 9Nov05 interview}
• 5:00 - 5:10 - ST testifies he completes hunting. [Source to be added]
• BJ and BrD stated BoD was home at 5PM. However, at 5.10 BoD has a call which pinged a location South East near Two Rivers. ^{BJ interview 11/14/05, BrD interview 02/27/06}
• 5:15 - BJ reports ST picks her up to go to hospital. ^{Interview of BJ 11/14/105 CASO p264}
• 5:20 - According to RF, EA & RF return hunting and pass by SA's to pick up a pair of glasses. Robert smells burned plastic and sees smoke from a burn barrel. EA does not. EA and RF have different recollections. SA reports RF recollects it wrong and although they dropped by, RF introduces a recollection from a week earlier when SA was burning garbage. RF observes an older DASSEY boy who he believes is either BrD or BoD with SA standing on opposite ends of the pickup truck. This account is also conflicting as the shirt of the older Dassey boy changes from white to orange but once again they are not sure of the day and this could be two different moments. Robert reported SA had a shower, changed clothing [SA is known to have showers during the day] and SA's mood was strange. Robert estimates they returned at approx 5:45. EA reports TH vehicle was not in the location where it was later to be discovered on ASY. ^{RF interview 11/10/05} - ^{RF interview 11/30/05 - EA interview 11/11/05} - ^{EA contact report 11/30/05- SA Affidavid #17 - SR-DPC p56}
• 5:20 - BlD is picked up by a friend's mother to go trick or treating. ^{BlD Interview 11/6/05 - BlD affidavit}
• 5.30 - BoD says he comes home and goes to bed without eating. BoD could not remember anyone being home except for BD and BlD maybe (although BlD had already been picked up). ^{BoD interview 02/27/06}
• 5:30 - Kornelly calls Janda/Dassey home, speaks to BD. ^{Kornelly Testimony.. Blaine Interview 11/6/05}
• 5:36 - SA talks to Jodi. Call is recorded. Steve was cleaning. (15mins) (from ASY) - ^{SA 11/6 interview - SA 11/9 interview - Offer of Proof}
• 5:55 - BrC missed call.
• 5:57 - SA calls CA (from ASY)
• 6:01 - BoD cellphone records show a ping from his earlier location at Two Rivers.
• 6:30 - 7:00 -BrD leaves to go to his girlfriend's house and sees smoke behind SA's. ^{BrD Interview 02/27/06}
• 7:00 - SA reports he started a bonfire (affidavit) and invited BD over (no phone records...). In one of BD's statements this wasn't until after having dinner at 8. ^{SA Affidavid} More on the fires in this thread.
• 7:45 - ST and BJ report arriving at BJ/Dassey home briefly. Their accounts are conflicting. BJ reports both BlD and BD being home. This is conflicting as BlD is reported to be trick or treating until 9.30 and BD is reported over at SA at the bonfire. So highly unreliable. ^{ST 11/10/05 Interview - BJ 11/14/05 Interview - ST 10/10/05 Interview}
• 7:53 - 7:54 - BrC misses 2 calls.
• ~ 8:15 - BD made a statement that he visited SA only after having dinner at 8pm.
• 8:00 or 9:00 - ST reports he arrived at his own home and BJ to join him shortly after. His two interview accounts (one day apart) have this one hour discrepancy. Another discrepancy that BoD's testimony saying BJ was home at 9:00. Also BlD reports BJ home at 9.30. ^{ST 11/10/05 Interview - ST 10/10/05 Interview}
• 8:57 - SA talks to Jodi by phone, being outside looking for soda near a golf cart. (recorded). SA reports BD has returned home. States BJ was leaving. ^{discovery p22 - SA 11/6 interview - SA 11/9 interview - Offer of Proof}
• [evening] KZ tweeted a Witness reported a horrible odor of something burning in the Manitowoc gravel put (not on ASY)
• 9:00 - BoD testified he wakes up and BJ is at home - ^{BoD Testimony}
• 9:05 - SA in his call to Jodi states BJ is leaving. ^{discovery p22 - SA 11/6 interview - SA 11/9 interview - Offer of Proof}
• 9:20 - SA calls BJ but line is busy. ^{SA call record redacted - discovery p22}
• ~9:20 - SA goes to bed, stays awake and watches TV. News and erotic movies until at least 10.30 when he most likely fell asleep.
• 9:30 - BlD arrives home and shortly after goes to bed. He states BJ, BD and BoD are home. ^{BlD Interview 11/6/05}
• 9:30? - BoD testified he went to work but this is conflicting with his earlier statement in his Nov9 interview - ^{BoD Testimony}
• 11:30? - BoD reported he went to work starting his shift over two hours too late. ^{BoD 11/09/05 interview}

Timelines

• Nov 1st and 2nd timeline
• November 3rd
• November 4th

I've been constructing a timeline given the new angles and affidavits and provides references and pointing out inconsistencies.

Questions:

• Is there a confirmation the appointment with AT was made earlier by BJ (as we knew from BrD's affidavit) ?
• Do we have more confirmations that BoD knew TH or had seen TH prior to the 31st?
• SA's 11:04 call to AT is not listed in his cellphone record. How can this be confirmed?
• Is there a confirmation ST visited the hospital? if so, what time did he get there and leave?
• Is there a source known today to TH unknown calls?
• How did SA invite BD over for the bonfire? no phone records?
• 8:57 - SA talks to Jodi by phone, but no phone record. How is this confirmed?
• SA calls BJ at 9:20, was this cell or landline? line is busy, who was BJ on the line with?
• I was informed there was a record of SA's watching a movie sometime after 9. Is this confirmed?
• Did anyone ever check for SMS text-messaging that took place on the 31st?
• Can you help me develop this timeline with further interesting details and references?

Oct 31st

• 8:12 - SA confirmes appointment on behalf of BJ (made earlier by BJ) for a minivan with Autotrader (DP) and requests 'the same photographer as before'.- ^{SA Affidavid #9 - Pliszka testimony - SA call record redacted - BrD Affidavit}
• 8:17 - suggested call DP from AutoTrader informs TH about the appointment.
• 8:39 - SA spoke to BoD about charging the van - ^{SA call record redacted}
• ~ 11:00 - SA and BoD together charged the vans battery. According to SA BoD knew it was for the photoshoot and confirms that BoD knew TH. ^{SA supplement Affidavid #9.j,k}
• 9:46 - PD (Autotrader) testifies she calls TH, goes unanswered and leaves message. This call is challenged as it was more likely to have been the 8:12 - call ^{Pliszka testimony}
• 11:04 - SA calls Autotrader about what time the photographer expected to be there and was told it would be around 2pm. This is not listed in his cellphone record. ^{SA Affidavid #10 - SA call record redacted}
• 11:04 - TH dials het voicemail - ^{TH call record redacted}
• 11:10. TH receives call for only five seconds, (unknown) - ^{TH call record redacted -}
• There are no account I have found so far at what time ST leaves towards the hospital. In his testimony it could have been either morning or afternoon. ^{Trial transcript p2848}
• 11:25 - TH unknown call (43 sec). AS testifies she received a call from TH where she informed her about the appointment with SA. This call is challenged as it was an incoming call, not outgoing and didn't occur at 11am as testified (no call records, save one that lasted only 5 seconds), but could have taken place at 11:25? ^{Schuster Testimony}
• 11:43 - Teresa calls Janda/Dassey home, leaves message requesting directions ^{Remiker Testimony/TH phone records/ TH call record redacted}
• BlD reported that there was a message on the answering machine with a female voice confirming the appointment at 1pm or 2pm. BoD testified he did not listen to the answering machine. ^{BlD-11-7-2005-Interview - trial transcript p583}
• ~12:00 KZ reports Suspect contacted TH with the Dassey address. [Looking for source] likely text message?
• ~12:00 - KZ reports ST visits BoD at ASY. around noon. [Looking for source]
• 12:09 - (just prior to) SA recalls ST being at the Janda/Dassey home (seeing his car parked). SA thus states ST did not go to the hospital in the morning. ^{SA affidavid m. n. p5}
• 12:29 . TH incoming call (unknown) 40 seconds
• 1:50 - suggested time BoD is getting up and uses his PC to access the internet. This analysis shows that BoD was actually up several times in the morning of the 31st and searched for porn. ^{second supplemental affidavit gregg mccrary - exhibits A&B}
• 1:52 - . TH incoming call (unknown) 1min 15 seconds.
• 2:15 - ST says he leaves the hospital in Green Bay from visiting his Mom, says he took off work this day. ^{ST 11/10 Interview}
• 2:24 - SA calls TH (unanswered). Unlike implied in initial trial, SA did not use *67 although in his affidavit he said he did - ^{TH call record redacted - SA call record redacted - SA Affidavid #11}
• 2:27 - 2:31 - TH call mentioning she is nearing ASY's - ^{Pliszka testimony} - ^{TH call record redacted -} This call did possibly not take place. TH call record #9 does not appear on factual call record filed by KZ. Perhaps a fax?
• 2:15 - 2:30 - BoD says he woke up, (testimony) sees TH and her "little SUV" from his window and observes her for 5 minutes taking photos and heading towards "the porch" and then has a shower. ^{BoD interview 11/05/05 - trial transcript}
• 2:31- SA reports he has is brief exchange with TH. ^{SA Affidavid #12}
• 2.30- 2:45 - time ST testifies he came home, but is challenged in this testimony having reported 3.15 in the police interview on Nov 29th. This could be an attempt by ST to match the timeline of BoD having left his home prior to TH left the area. ^{Trial transcript p2848}
• 2:35 - SA had returned to his trailer, browsed through the AutoTrader magazine gave him and calls her back about front-loaders being for sale. Call was unanswered. He hangs up before voicemail. ^{- SA call record redacted - TH call record redacted}
• 2:35 - SA report BoD leaves immediately after TH which is affirmed in a later phone call and by accounts from Jodi as well as his 9nov interview. ^{SA supplement Affidavid #9.h - SA 9Nov05 interview}
• BrD reports that BoD saw TH leave and both his mom (BJ) and SA told him she left and was only there for 5 minutes. He once more emphasised this in his affidavit. ^{DCI Interview BrD - BrD affidavit}
• 2:38 TH left & turned West on Hwy 147. ^{SA Affidavid #12 - SA 9Nov05 interview}
• 2:42 - TH unknown incoming call pings 12/13 miles south of ASY heading away from ASY.
• 2:45 - 3pm BoD says he leaves to go hunting. ^{BoD interview 11/05/05 - trial transcript p759}
• BoD reports and testified he saw TH car still at the property, and saw TH heading in the direction of SA's home, but is discredited by SA and his mother. ^{BoD interview 11/05/05}
• 2:45 - SA's recalls his mother brings mail, they sit in golf cart and chat. ^{SA 6Nov05 interview} - ^{SA 9Nov05 interview}
• ~2:45 KZ reports suspect gets TH to pull over. "She opened her car's rear cargo door to retrieve her camera, was knocked to the ground and struck with an object". [Looking for source, other than KZ tweet]. I did find a statement from BD, where he refers to similar proceedings and he refers to a blazer (!) so even though BD is implicating SA in this interview... isn't he really talking (and covering for) BoD?! He even states his motivation for doing so. It is speculation, but as KZ reports this, we can expect this will be backed with further evidence. That TH clothes were 'ripped' and mentioning 'the opening of the back door' has a major implication as this reveals details only the perpetrator could have known. ^{BD Interview 03/01/06}
• 3:02 - BoD cell pings east (check BoD, SA and TH timestamps & locations here) from this source
• 3:15 - ST says he arrives home (time reported in his initial police interview). grabs hunting gear and heads out hunting and then encounters BoD, he stated BoD was heading in the direction of his home to go hunting at 3:10 (yes he indeed claimed to be time-traveling 5 minutes back in time here). ^{ST 11/10 Interview}
• 3:30 - 4:00 - A propane delivery driver testified he'd seen a small green SUV leave ASY. He didn't see who was driving it. This doesn't have to be a time inconsistency. The Rav4 could have returned and left again with possibly a different driver. ^{trial transcript day19 p122}
• 3:30-3:45 - just prior to the bus dropping BD and BlD home, BlD reports (in his affidavit) seeing BoD heading east not driving his own vehicle but a green/bluish one. Could this possibly be TH's RAV4 and the same car spotted by the propane delivery driver? BlD also reports BoD did not return home after that. ^{BlD's affidavit}
• 3:30-3:45 - the bus dropped BD and BlD home. ^{BlD-11-7-2005-Interview}
• Bus driver report possibly seeing TH taking pictures of a vehicle in the driveway. The Bus Driver couldn't recall if it was specifically that day. The Bus driver recalls TH photographing a vehicle from an earlier appointment (10/10), hence the recollection is wrong. ^{trial transcript p4498}
• BD at first denied having seen TH when getting off the bus, but later changed this account to say he did and actually witnessed TH leaving the property. ^{nov 6 2015 BD interview}
• BlD didn't see TH or anyone, nor any vehicle that would normally not be there when he and BD walked from the bus to their home. ^{BlD-11-7-2005-Interview}
• According to BlD in his earlier police statement and his testimony, mentioned BoD was however asleep in the house, BlD and BD woke him coming in at 3:45. BlD later repealed this in his affidavit, saying he'd seen BoD driving the blue/greenish van and was not seen home after that.... ^{BlD-11-7-2005-Interview - BlD's affidavit}
• BoD testified that BlD was mistaken and he was not woken up. ^{trial transcript p757}
• 3:57 - (only 12 minutes after supposedly having been woken up) BoD call is recorded from a location far NE from ASY, so this wake up call is indeed highly unlikely, if not impossible for BoD to reached this area from his home in such a short timeframe after being woken up. This combined with the PC activity, makes it evident that BoD was already awake.
• ~3:45 - 4:00 suggested time RAV4 could have been left by the old dam West of Mishicot. 3 witnesses saw RAV4 up to 11/4/05, then it was gone. [looking for sources]
• 4:35 - SA tried to reach TH by phone unsuccessfully (inbox reported full) for arranging another photoshoot. ^{- SA call record redacted - TH call record redacted- SA Affidavid #14}
• 4:30 - EA and RF drop by ASY to go rabbit hunting. Robert says SA told him 'the photographer' hadn't shown up yet. EA and RF's accounts are highly conflicting. At first EA and RF are unsure about the date, but in a later interview after having talked to his wife, Fabian became 100% sure it was Monday. SA says RF recollects it wrong. SA reports they dropped by at ~5:00 for a minute or so. ^{RF interview 11/10/05} - ^{RF interview 11/30/05 - EA interview 11/11/05} - ^{EA contact report 11/30/05 - SA Affidavid #17}
• ~5:00 - ST arrives at BJ/Dassey home and reportedly sees BJ, SA and 'one of her younger sons'. ^{ST 11/10 Interview}
• ~5:00 - SA is having dinner with his mother [uncertain] ^{SA 6Nov05 interview} - ^{SA 9Nov05 interview}
• 5:00 - 5:10 - ST testifies he completes hunting. [Source to be added]
• BJ and BrD stated BoD was home at 5PM. However, at 5.10 BoD has a call which pinged a location South East near Two Rivers. ^{BJ interview 11/14/05, BrD interview 02/27/06}
• 5:15 - BJ reports ST picks her up to go to hospital. ^{Interview of BJ 11/14/105 CASO p264}
• 5:20 - EA & RF return hunting and pass by SA's to pick up a pair of glasses. Robert smells burned plastic and sees smoke from a burn barrel. EA does not. EA and RF have different recollections. SA reports RF recollects it wrong and although they dropped by, RF introduces a recollection from a week earlier when SA was burning garbage. RF observes an older DASSEY boy who he believes is either BrD or BoD with SA standing on opposite ends of the pickup truck. This account is also conflicting as the shirt of the older Dassey boy changes from white to orange but once again they are not sure of the day and this could be two different moments. Robert reported SA had a shower, changed clothing and SA's mood was strange. Robert estimates they returned at approx 5:45. EA reports TH vehicle was not in the location where it was later to be discovered on ASY. ^{RF interview 11/10/05} - ^{RF interview 11/30/05 - EA interview 11/11/05} - ^{EA contact report 11/30/05- SA Affidavid #17 - SR-DPC p56}
• 5:20 - BlD is picked up by a friend's mother to go trick or treating. ^{BlD Interview 11/6/05 - BlD affidavit}
• 5.30 - BoD says he comes home and goes to bed without eating. BoD could not remember anyone being home except for BD and BlD maybe (although BlD had already been picked up). ^{BoD interview 02/27/06}
• 5:36 - SA talks to Jodi. Call is recorded. Steve was cleaning. (15mins) (from ASY)
• 5:57 - SA calls CA (from ASY)
• 6:01 - BoD cellphone records show a ping from his earlier location at Two Rivers.
• 6:30 - 7:00 -BrD leaves to go to his girlfriend's house and sees smoke behind SA's. ^{BrD Interview 02/27/06}
• 7:00 - SA reports he started a bonfire (affidavit) and invited BD over (no phone records...). ^{SA Affidavid}
• 7:45 - ST and BJ report arriving at BJ/Dassey home briefly. Their accounts are conflicting. BJ reports both BlD and BD being home. This is conflicting as BlD is reported to be trick or treating until 9.30 and BD is reported over at SA at the bonfire. So highly unreliable. ^{ST 11/10/05 Interview - BJ 11/14/05 Interview - ST 10/10/05 Interview}
• 8:00 or 9:00 - ST reports he arrived at his own home and BJ to join him shortly after. His two interview accounts (one day apart) have this one hour discrepancy. Another discrepancy that BoD's testimony saying BJ was home at 9:00. Also BlD reports BJ home at 9.30. ^{ST 11/10/05 Interview - ST 10/10/05 Interview}
• 8:57 - SA talks to Jodi by phone, being outside looking for soda near a golf cart. (recorded). SA reports BD has returned home. States BJ was leaving
• 9:00 - BoD testified he wakes up and BJ is at home - ^{BoD Testimony}
• 9:05 - SA in his call to Jodi states BJ is leaving.
• ~9:15 - SA goes to bed, stays awake and watches TV. News and erotic movies until at least 10.30 when he most likely fell asleep.
• 9:20 - SA calls BJ but line is busy. ^{SA call record redacted}
• 9:30 - BlD arrives home and shortly after goes to bed. He states BJ, BD and BoD are home. ^{BlD Interview 11/6/05}
• 9:30 - BoD testified he went to work - ^{BoD Testimony}

Trying to construct the timeline based on some strange proceedings to see what story we can get from that. I am trying to follow line of events KZ could be laying out. Need to know who's who? check here.

On BoD

BoD and his evident obsessions with extreme pornography involving violent porn, mutilation, dead bodies, skinny (skeleton) and underage girls, combined with his experience with (deer) hunting, calls for a closer look.
From the search records, searches like 'flamed knife', 'knife through skin', 'gun to head', 'car accidents' don't appear until 2006 well after the murder. Although prior to the murder he did search for terms like 'skeleton' and 'alive skeleton' and 'under age girls', he also searched for 'rotten' a site containing gruesome death related content. I believe the PC had such graphic gruesome pictures stored to HD (outside the browser cache).
At this point in time, I am not aware of any indication (other then SA's statement) that BoD knew TH. He had seen her a number of times before though.
BoD's and his brothers and ST provide shaky, changing and some evidently false statements, show either they are covering, or 'bending the truth' to fabricate him an alibi.
The Labrador puppy scratches on Bobby's back are disputed as a forensic pathologist says they are not from a Labrador puppy but human.

On ST

• Described as a 'psycho', 'capable of murder', 'not being hooked right' and to 'fly off the handle to everyone at work', 'very edgy', 'short tempered', 'angry' by his colleagues. ^{ST colleages interview 03/30/06} - ^{Interview JM 03/31/06}
• Reported taking a phone call from a hysterical teenage kid, leaving as a nervous wreck when he left shortly after. ^{Interview LN 03/02/06}
• Reported having his laundry stained with blood from clothes from 'one of the boys' and was questioned about it. ^{Interview LN 03/02/06 - ST colleages interview 03/30/0}
• Tried to sell a .22 rifle belonging to one of the Dassey boys (likely BoD's) ^{Interview JM 03/31/06}
• Reported to be very protective over BD.

I've been constructing a timeline given the new angles and affidavits and provides references and pointing out inconsistencies.

Questions:

• Was the appointment with AT made earlier (before SA called to confirm it)?
• Do we have more confirmations that BoD knew TH or had seen TH prior to the 31st?
• SA's 11:04 call to AT is not listed in his cellphone record. How can this be confirmed?
• Is there a confirmation ST visited the hospital? if so, what time did he get there and leave?
• Is there a source known today to TH unknown calls?
• How did SA invite BD over for the bonfire? no phone records?
• 8:57 - SA talks to Jodi by phone, but no phone record. How is this confirmed?
• SA calls BJ at 9:20, was this cell or landline? line is busy, who was BJ on the line with?
• I was informed there was a record of SA's watching a movie sometime after 9. Is this confirmed?
• Did anyone ever check for SMS text-messaging that took place on the 31st?
• Can you help me develop this timeline with further interesting details and references?

Oct 31st

• 8:12 - SA confirmes appointment on behalf of BJ (made earlier?) for a minivan with Autotrader (DP) and requests 'the same photographer as before'.- ^{SA Affidavid #9 - Pliszka testimony - SA call record redacted}
• 8:12 - suggested call DP from AutoTrader informs TH about the appointment.
• 8:39 - SA spoke to BoD about charging the van - ^{SA call record redacted}
• ~ 11:00 - SA and BoD together charged the vans battery. According to SA BoD knew it was for the photoshoot and confirms that BoD knew TH. ^{SA supplement Affidavid #9.j,k}
• 9:46 - PD (Autotrader) testifies she calls TH, goes unanswered and leaves message. This call is challenged as it was more likely to have been the 8:12 - call ^{Pliszka testimony}
• 11:04 - SA calls Autotrader about what time the photographer expected to be there and was told it would be around 2pm. This is not listed in his cellphone record. ^{SA Affidavid #10 - SA call record redacted}
• 11:04 - TH dials het voicemail - ^{TH call record redacted}
• 11:10. TH receives call for only five seconds, (unknown) - ^{TH call record redacted -}
• There are no account I have found so far at what time ST leaves towards the hospital. In his testimony it could have been either morning or afternoon. ^{Trial transcript p2848}
• 11:25 - TH unknown call (43 sec). AS testifies she received a call from TH where she informed her about the appointment with SA. This call is challenged as it was an incoming call, not outgoing and didn't occur at 11am as testified (no call records, save one that lasted only 5 seconds), but could have taken place at 11:25? ^{Schuster Testimony}
• 11:43 - Teresa calls Janda/Dassey home, leaves message requesting directions ^{Remiker Testimony/TH phone records/ TH call record redacted}
• BlD reported that there was a message on the answering machine with a female voice confirming the appointment at 1pm or 2pm. BoD testified he did not listen to the answering machine. ^{BlD-11-7-2005-Interview - trial transcript p583}
• ~12:00 KZ reports Suspect contacted TH with the Dassey address. [Looking for source] [I haven't pinpointed the call record yet or exact timing yet, but KZ implies it was before noon while ST was at ASY]
• ~12:00 - KZ reports ST visits BoD at ASY. around noon. [Looking for source]
• 12:09 - (just prior to) SA recalls ST being at the Janda/Dassey home (seeing his car parked). SA thus states ST did not go to the hospital in the morning. ^{SA affidavid m. n. p5}
• 12:29 . TH incoming call (unknown) 40 seconds
• 1:50 - suggested time BoD is getting up and uses his PC to access the internet. This analysis shows that BoD was actually up several times in the morning of the 31st and searched for porn. ^{second supplemental affidavit gregg mccrary - exhibits A&B}
• 1:52 - . TH incoming call (unknown) 1min 15 seconds.
• 2:15 - ST leaves the hospital in Green Bay from visiting his Mom, says he took off work this day. ^{ST 11/10 Interview}
• 2:24 - SA calls TH (unanswered). Unlike implied in initial trial, SA did not use *67 although in his affidavit he said he did - ^{TH call record redacted - SA call record redacted - SA Affidavid #11}
• 2:27 - 2:31 - TH call mentioning she is nearing ASY's - ^{Pliszka testimony} - ^{TH call record redacted -} This call did possibly not take place. TH call record #9 does not appear on factual call record filed by KZ. Perhaps a fax?
• 2:15 - 2:30 - BoD says he woke up, (testimony) sees TH and her "little SUV" from his window and observes her for 5 minutes taking photos and heading towards "the porch" and then has a shower. ^{BoD interview 11/05/05 - trial transcript}
• 2:31- SA reports he has is brief exchange with TH. ^{SA Affidavid #12}
• 2.30- 2:45 - time ST testifies he came home, but is challenged in this testimony having reported 3.15 in the police interview on Nov 29th. This could be an attempt by ST to match the timeline of BoD having left his home prior to TH left the area. ^{Trial transcript p2848}
• 2:35 - SA had returned to his trailer, browsed through the AutoTrader magazine gave him and calls her back about front-loaders being for sale. Call was unanswered. He hangs up before voicemail. ^{- SA call record redacted - TH call record redacted}
• 2:35 - SA report BoD leaves immediately after TH which is affirmed in a later phone call and by accounts from Jodi as well as his 9nov interview. ^{SA supplement Affidavid #9.h - SA 9Nov05 interview}
• BrD reports that BoD saw TH leave and both his mom (BJ) and SA told him she left and was only there for 5 minutes. He once more emphasised this in his affidavit. ^{DCI Interview BrD - BrD affidavit}
• 2:38 TH left & turned West on Hwy 147. ^{SA Affidavid #12 - SA 9Nov05 interview}
• 2:42 - TH unknown incoming call pings 12/13 miles south of ASY heading away from ASY.
• 2:45 - 3pm BoD says he leaves to go hunting. ^{BoD interview 11/05/05 - trial transcript p759}
• BoD reports and testified he saw TH car still at the property, and saw TH heading in the direction of SA's home, but is discredited by SA and his mother. ^{BoD interview 11/05/05}
• 2:45 - SA's recalls his mother brings mail, they sit in golf cart and chat. ^{SA 6Nov05 interview} - ^{SA 9Nov05 interview}
• ~2:45 KZ reports suspect gets TH to pull over. "She opened her car's rear cargo door to retrieve her camera, was knocked to the ground and struck with an object". [Looking for source, other than KZ tweet]. I did find a statement from BD, where he refers to similar proceedings and he refers to a blazer (!) so even though BD is implicating SA in this interview... isn't he really talking (and covering for) BoD?! He even states his motivation for doing so. It is speculation, but as KZ reports this, we can expect this will be backed with further evidence. That TH clothes were 'ripped' and the opening of the back door' has a major implication. ^{BD Interview 03/01/06}
• 3:02 - BoD cell pings east (check BoD, SA and TH timestamps & locations here) from this source
• 3:15 - ST says he arrives home (time reported in his initial police interview). grabs hunting gear and heads out hunting and then encounters BoD, he stated BoD was heading in the direction of his home to go hunting at 3:10 (yes he indeed claimed to be time-traveling 5 minutes back in time here). ^{ST 11/10 Interview}
• 3:30 - 4:00 - A propane delivery driver testified he'd seen a small green SUV leave ASY. He didn't see who was driving it. This could make sense if TH had returned to ASY or Janda/Dassey home, or if she didn't move to location of her last ping with the RAV4. ^{trial transcript day19 p122}
• 3:30-3:45 - just prior to the bus dropping BD and BlD home, BlD reports (in his affidavit) seeing BoD heading east not driving his own vehicle but a green/bluish one. Could this possibly be TH's RAV4 which is also blue/greenish, or perhaps ST's car (greenish)? ^{BlD's affidavit}
• 3:30-3:45 - the bus dropped BD and BlD home. ^{BlD-11-7-2005-Interview}
• Bus driver report possibly seeing TH taking pictures of a vehicle in the driveway. The Bus Driver couldn't recall if it was specifically that day. ^{trial transcript p4498}
• BD at first denied having seen TH when getting off the bus, but later changed this account to say he did and actually witnessed TH leaving the property. ^{nov 6 2015 BD interview}
• BlD didn't see TH or anyone, nor any vehicle that would normally not be there when he and BD walked from the bus to their home. ^{BlD-11-7-2005-Interview}
• According to BlD in his earlier police statement and his testimony, mentioned BoD was however asleep in the house, BlD and BD woke him coming in at 3:45. BlD later repealed this in his affidavit, saying they didn't wake him up and BoD was actually seen driving the blue/greenish van .... ^{BlD-11-7-2005-Interview}
• BoD testified that BlD was mistaken and he was not woken up. ^{trial transcript p757}
• 3:57 - (only 12 minutes after supposedly having been woken up) BoD call is recorded from a location far NE from ASY, so this wake up call is indeed highly unlikely, if not impossible for BoD to reached this area from his home in such a short timeframe after being woken up. This combined with the PC activity, makes it evident that BoD was already awake.
• ~3:45 - 4:00 suggested time RAV4 could have been left by the old dam West of Mishicot. 3 witnesses saw RAV4 up to 11/4/05, then it was gone. [looking for sources]
• 4:35 - SA tried to reach TH by phone unsuccessfully (inbox reported full) for arranging another photoshoot. ^{- SA call record redacted - TH call record redacted- SA Affidavid #14}
• 4:30 - EA and RF drop by ASY to go rabbit hunting. Robert says SA told him 'the photographer' hadn't shown up yet. EA and RF's accounts are highly conflicting. At first EA and RF are unsure about the date, but in a later interview after having talked to his wife, Fabian became 100% sure it was Monday. SA says RF recollects it wrong. SA reports they dropped by at ~5:00 for a minute or so. ^{RF interview 11/10/05} - ^{RF interview 11/30/05 - EA interview 11/11/05} - ^{EA contact report 11/30/05 - SA Affidavid #17}
• ~5:00 - ST arrives at BJ/Dassey home and reportedly sees BJ, SA and 'one of her younger sons'. ^{ST 11/10 Interview}
• ~5:00 - SA is having dinner with his mother [uncertain] ^{SA 6Nov05 interview} - ^{SA 9Nov05 interview}
• 5:00 - 5:10 - ST testifies he completes hunting. [Source to be added]
• BJ and BrD stated BoD was home at 5PM. However, at 5.10 BoD has a call which pinged a location South East near Two Rivers. ^{BJ interview 11/14/05, BrD interview 02/27/06}
• 5:15 - BJ reports ST picks her up to go to hospital. ^{Interview of BJ 11/14/105 CASO p264}
• 5:20 - EA & RF return hunting and pass by SA's to pick up a pair of glasses. Robert smells burned plastic and sees smoke from a burn barrel. EA does not. EA and RF have different recollections. SA reports RF recollects it wrong and although they dropped by, RF introduces a recollection from a week earlier when SA was burning garbage. RF observes an older DASSEY boy who he believes is either BrD or BoD with SA standing on opposite ends of the pickup truck. This account is also conflicting as the shirt of the older Dassey boy changes from white to orange but once again they are not sure of the day and this could be two different moments. Robert reported SA had a shower, changed clothing and SA's mood was strange. Robert estimates they returned at approx 5:45. EA reports TH vehicle was not in the location where it was later to be discovered on ASY. ^{RF interview 11/10/05} - ^{RF interview 11/30/05 - EA interview 11/11/05} - ^{EA contact report 11/30/05- SA Affidavid #17 - SR-DPC p56}
• 5:20 - BlD is picked up by a friend's mother to go trick or treating. ^{BlD Interview 11/6/05 - BlD affidavit}
• 5.30 - BoD says he comes home and goes to bed without eating. BoD could not remember anyone being home except for BD and BlD maybe (although BlD was picked up). ^{BoD interview 02/27/06}
• 5:36 - SA talks to Jodi's Attorney (15mins) (from ASY)
• 5:57 - SA calls CA (from ASY)
• 6:01 - BoD cellphone records show a ping from his earlier location at Two Rivers.
• 6:30 - 7:00 -BrD leaves to go to his girlfriend's house and sees smoke behind SA's. ^{BrD Interview 02/27/06}
• 7:00 - SA reports he started a bonfire (affidavit) and invited BD over (no phone records...). ^{SA Affidavid}
• 7:45 - ST and BJ report arriving at BJ/Dassey home briefly. Their accounts are conflicting. BJ reports both BlD and BD being home. This is conflicting as BlD is reported to be trick or treating until 9.30 and BD is reported over at SA at the bonfire. So highly unreliable. ^{ST 11/10/05 Interview - BJ 11/14/05 Interview - ST 10/10/05 Interview}
• 8:00 or 9:00 - ST reports he arrived at his own home and BJ to join him shortly after. His two interview accounts (one day apart) have this one hour discrepancy. Another discrepancy that BoD's testimony saying BJ was home at 9:00. Also BlD reports BJ home at 9.30. ^{ST 11/10/05 Interview - ST 10/10/05 Interview}
• 8:57 - SA talks to Jodi by phone. SA reports BD has returned home by then. (no phone record, checking Jodi's).
• 9:00 - BoD testified he wakes up and BJ is at home - ^{BoD Testimony}
• 9:20 - SA calls BJ but line is busy. ^{SA call record redacted}
• 9:30 - BlD arrives home and shortly after goes to bed. He states BJ, BD and BoD are home. ^{BlD Interview 11/6/05}
• 9:30 - BoD testified he went to work - ^{BoD Testimony}

Nov 1 & 2

On 1st RH called TH cellphone but the inbox was full. That call lasted 4 seconds, the exact time of a full inbox message. Another person too reported the inbox being full on the 1st. On the 2nd, TH cellphone is reported to no longer being full as someone called and left a voicemail after the phone rang a number of times. RH is one of the few known to have access to TH' voicemail. Although perhaps the message was auto deleted.

On RH:

RH is an abusive ex-boyfriend of TH. RH injected himself into the investigation. A senior ex FBI investigator reports that it is highly unusual that LE allowed RH, with his known abusive ex-relationship to TH, to a crime scene on multiple occasion including at least one where he gave a false name (false entry). It is also unusual that RH neither provided nor was asked for or had recorded an alibi for the 31st.
What's more, on Mr. Hillegas' left hand scratch marks were found that a Pathology Forensic Expert reports says is consistent with abrasions inflicted by fingernails.

On Colborn & Lenk:

LE officers Colborn and Lenk both had a conflict of interest in the TH investigation given their involvement to his prior case. They were not only deposed from "Avery's $36M lawsuit within three weeks before Teresa Halbach disappeared.", they themselves volunteered to inject themselves in the TH investigation and flung themselves on SA. Noted from the previous Trial Defense Counsel.

Nov 3rd

• Plausible: Colborn conveniently discovers TH car after getting a tip of the car being spotted at the turnaround (which he fails to report). (Multiple witnesses have spotted the RAV4 at this turnaround.) The number plate is called in by Colborn. More details on the oddities in relation to this call here.
• Plausible: RH, assisting the search party is contacted for a spare key. Together they plot to move the car to ASY.
• Plausible: The car, having a flat tire, is foamed to it can be moved. (would love to know what may have caused the flat tire, did anyone do any analysis on the tire?)
• Independent witness Siebert sees Rav4, matching the unique characteristics of TH's Rav 4, driving along side a white jeep (exhibit). So specific he recalls it having "the same spare wheel and cover on the rear cargo door as Ms. Halbach's RAV-4.".
• To enter the terrain undetected, they use an non-monitored entrance blocked by a car. The car is pushed, with minor damage to the headlight and bumper.
• Colborn goes to SA but does not write a report about this visit until June 28, 2006.
• Colborn calls and meets up with Dedering, Remiker, Wiegert & Lenk at 7pm.
• They continue to be in contact by phone over the next hour.
• At 8PM SA sees taillights behind his house.
• Blood from a cut earlier that day (SA cut his hand unhitching BJ trailer) dissapears from Sink. SA believes BoD might have done this as BoD witnessed the bleeding hand of SA that day.
• BoD finds a deer on the road...

Nov 4th

• Wiegert calls Lenk, requests that he visit ASY. Wiegert and Pagel go to T's house, speak with RH.
• Lenk and Remiker go to ASY. Brief search of house.
• Time passes ad SA's DNA gets planted in the car, knowing a car in itself, even on property, is still insufficient evidence.
• SA and EA are in the "pit" sighting a rifle.
• RH speaks to Law Enforcement 22 times this day. Between 3:11 and 7:25.
• Search group meets at TH house to plan search.
• CA sees Headlights near the quarry while leaving for Crivitz, calls SA. SA drives with BoD part way into the "pit" to check for a car. ^{O'Neil Report}
• SA smelled cigarette smoke in his trailer
• BoD and MO clean deer. This may be the moment MO, BoD and SA joke about hiding a body. SA says BoD brought it up.
• Lenk or Remiker speak to BD briefly this day.

Nov 5th

• SA observed pry marks near the door latch of his trailer.
• A mock search party is setup where PoG is divinely led to the car in 15 mins. Said God led her there. Conveniently used to work as a private investigator; only member of the search party with a camera. She mentions 2 soda bottles. These were not mentioned in the list of items collected from the car in the CASO report [...] who's bottles were they, why were they not listed? even bubblegum wrappers were.
• Who happens to get dispached to the location of the RAV4? right... Colborn.
• Warrent for SA
• Searches of SA property.
• K9 Searches. Dogs begin to search Steve's trailer and burn barrels.
• Dedering interviews BoD at roadblock [...]
• 2nd Search of SA home. Tyson, Lenk, Colborn and Remiker enter SA home, search for 3 hours. Ertl on scene but not asked to participate in this search
• Remiker swabs blood in bathroom. MTSO report. Snippets from the LE report here.
• An officer reports a brown paper bag in the SA vehicle trunk containing men’s clothing. (Jeans, Shirt, Sweat Shirt, Underwear) as well as a disposable cigarette lighter (Avery doesn’t smoke) and a hand held flash light (yellow and black).

Nov 6th

• Remiker is informed that officers have collected 4 burn barrels from behind Dassey house. Is asked to help process them.
• Deputy Tackes arrives to collect burn barrels and load them into an enclosed trailer.
• Colborn, Lenk, Remiker, and Kucharski enter Dassey home with a search warrant.
• BD and BrD are stopped on the road in Crivitz, car is towed, boys interviewed by O'Neill and Baldwin.
• Murder weapon and cause of death too is evidence needed for to build a strong case against SA, so the dusty gun is taken from the gunrack.
• PoG turns in a cell phone found near the spotted RAV4 location at the turnaround (not ASY), connecting her to the location where the RAV4 was reported and discovered prior to it having been moved. She testified to this yet prosecution claimed there is no record of it. (The RAV4 had been spotted by multiple witnesses close to the location that phone was recovered by PoG).

Nov 7th

• Dedering called search dogs to a specific area. They found disturbed earth with shovels. K9 gave bark alert and "seemed to be particularly interested in a shovel lying next to the disturbed earth". The K9 team was removed from the scene. Tyson, Lenk and Colborn leave to respond to a suspicious incident at Kuss Rd [...?]. It was recorded to be a false alarm [...] Log entry from K9 unit
• Matuszak recovers the barrels.
• Ertl, Cates and Zhang arrive at Calumet, search barrel #4 then were called back to Avery Property. Barrel 4 is placed on a trailer and taken back to scene by Matuszak
• Firearms are collected from Dassey home.
• Note also that Motorola cellular phone remnants are found in a fifth barrel openly positioned near the SA trailer next to corn field and was transported away.

Nov 8th

• Ertl sifts burn barrel 5 at Calumet
• Kucharski Lenk and Colborn enter SA home.
• Spare car key *magically* appears in SA bedroom after 7th or so search (photos showing it not having been there earlier). Lenk finds it and mentions he found it in a place it wasn't before on the ground next to a pair of slippers. Colborn (here he is again) reports having shook the bookcase causing the key to have dropped. However before and after photos (magic sticky pennies) and a reconstruction shows it could not have been the case.. In an e-mail in 2016 Colborn is found backtracking again and lying about the key now saying:“The key to TH vehicle was NOT discovered laying next to a pair of shoes in the open, but was instead located cleverly hidden behind a bookcase, in SA’s bedroom”.
• Jost alerts Fassbender that he has found a human bone 8 ft from the burn pit
• Kratz instructs burn barrel #4, which had been returned to Avery’s Salvage the day before should be brought back to Calumet [why?]

Larger human bones were found in the Dassey burn barrel. 3 piles of human bones were found in the Manitowoc County gravel pit. A leading fire forensic expert later reported that no human body was burned in the Avery burn pit. They had to have been moved there. The question is who. Potential bone planting occurred 7/8th? something's fishy about the dig up and barrel shifting anyway.
JR reports witnessing activity at the Manitowoc pit just prior to when the the pelvic bones were found at ASY, he believes they were moved from the Manitowoc gravel pit.
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My boyfriend and I currently live at home with our parents and I am graduating from University this spring. We want to save up to eventually build a small house on some acreage and we thought we would rather buy an RV than pay rent for an apartment. My career will most likely involve a lot of relocation so the RV would be perfect for that and it just gives us that feeling of owning our own place!
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